A fascinating conversation with Jennifer Down author of Bodies of Light, which was shortlisted for Australia's Stella Prize in 2022. Bodies of Light is the story of Maggie Sullivan who grows up in the Victoria's state care system in the 1970s and 1980s. As an adult she 'reinvents' herself and becomes Josephine, and ThHolly by the end of the story. Jennifer talks about how she knew more about the state care system than many people as both her parents were social workers, with her mother working in the child protection system. The second part of the conversation with Jonathan Franzen is worth listening to as well, particularly since it was his endorsement which gave life to US writer and Care Experience Person, Paula Fox's career https://drdee-drdeethinkingoutloud.blogspot.com/2021/08/paula-foxs-nomadic-childhood.html